Comments on: Friday Conversation: Should Paramount Have Created A New Beginning? http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/friday-conversation-should-paramount-have-created-a-new-beginning-2/ News & Updates for fridaythe13thfilms.com Sat, 11 Dec 2024 08:17:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Sybren van der Schoot http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/friday-conversation-should-paramount-have-created-a-new-beginning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-200752 Sybren van der Schoot Thu, 01 Apr 2024 12:08:59 +0000 http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/?p=4696#comment-200752 I really enjoyed A New Beginning. It had a summer feeling to me, and Ethel and Junior Hubbard were one of my favorite characters. I also liked Tommy as a silent and pretty much traumatised guy, with a very good looking pair of jeans;) Although the film lacks a bit of gore, I still consider part V as one of my favorite Friday movies. About the up coming sequels: I really would have liked to see Elias Voorhees, stepping up, and maybe this will finally happen in one of the new Friday-remakes....If Pamela isn't coming back from the dead, then maybe Jason's daddy will.....sure would make a whole new level of storytelling and maybe battle between Jason and his father.... But hey....that's only my point of view. The whole series of Friday the 13th, with and without my favorite slasher in it..still have a place in my heart..and I'm glad I can watch these films and that they're here for many other fans. I really enjoyed A New Beginning. It had a summer feeling to me, and Ethel and Junior Hubbard were one of my favorite characters. I also liked Tommy as a silent and pretty much traumatised guy, with a very good looking pair of jeans;)
Although the film lacks a bit of gore, I still consider part V as one of my favorite Friday movies.
About the up coming sequels: I really would have liked to see Elias Voorhees, stepping up, and maybe this will finally happen in one of the new Friday-remakes….If Pamela isn’t coming back from the dead, then maybe Jason’s daddy will…..sure would make a whole new level of storytelling and maybe battle between Jason and his father….

But hey….that’s only my point of view. The whole series of Friday the 13th, with and without my favorite slasher in it..still have a place in my heart..and I’m glad I can watch these films and that they’re here for many other fans.

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By: MLC http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/friday-conversation-should-paramount-have-created-a-new-beginning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-198626 MLC Wed, 24 Mar 2024 19:14:23 +0000 http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/?p=4696#comment-198626 To me, "Friday the 13th" (the best ones, the classics) are the first four films and I consider "The Final Chapter" as the real final chapter. BUT "A new beginning" still has "the touch", "the magic", the suspense of the classic ones. In many ways, Part 5 is the best among the worst ones. And it's certainly a good film that gains with years... With Part 6 the saga begins its real declive, although Part VI is fun and very enjoyable BUT it has not "the classic touch"... let's say something is missing in this movie and its followers. From 6 to this days Jason turns into some kind of "rock star with a machete", he is almost a "GIJOE toy action figure that moves like an action character", he is someone we see almost every minute of each new film... the darknees is gone, the fear is gone... magic is gone. Even Harry Manfredini's scores changed in many ways from Part 5 and followers... his scores turned into a "synth era" that makes them, if you know what I mean, almost TV-ish music scores. So, even in his music the magic is gone. My hopes for 2024's reboot was they'd bring back the classic feeling, the magic, the suspense, the "invisible Jason", the Tommy Jarvis storyline.... but what wrong I was... they still show Jason as a "rock star GIJOE-ish action figure" that is scary no more. To sum up, "Friday the 13th" (as I understand this franchise) are just four films... and it ends with Joseph Zito's masterpiece. To me, “Friday the 13th” (the best ones, the classics) are the first four films and I consider “The Final Chapter” as the real final chapter.

BUT “A new beginning” still has “the touch”, “the magic”, the suspense of the classic ones. In many ways, Part 5 is the best among the worst ones. And it’s certainly a good film that gains with years…

With Part 6 the saga begins its real declive, although Part VI is fun and very enjoyable BUT it has not “the classic touch”… let’s say something is missing in this movie and its followers. From 6 to this days Jason turns into some kind of “rock star with a machete”, he is almost a “GIJOE toy action figure that moves like an action character”, he is someone we see almost every minute of each new film… the darknees is gone, the fear is gone… magic is gone.

Even Harry Manfredini’s scores changed in many ways from Part 5 and followers… his scores turned into a “synth era” that makes them, if you know what I mean, almost TV-ish music scores. So, even in his music the magic is gone.

My hopes for 2024’s reboot was they’d bring back the classic feeling, the magic, the suspense, the “invisible Jason”, the Tommy Jarvis storyline…. but what wrong I was… they still show Jason as a “rock star GIJOE-ish action figure” that is scary no more.

To sum up, “Friday the 13th” (as I understand this franchise) are just four films… and it ends with Joseph Zito’s masterpiece.

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By: eXile http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/friday-conversation-should-paramount-have-created-a-new-beginning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-157466 eXile Mon, 26 Oct 2024 00:26:57 +0000 http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/?p=4696#comment-157466 I avoided Part V when it first came out. I had read about it in Fango and decided that it wasn't something I wanted to see. A few years after its release, I ended up picking it up for $1 on Beta when my video store was liquidating all of their Beta inventory after Sony lost the videotape wars. I really feel like I overpaid, even at $1. The plot, itself, could have worked, if done right. Unfortunately, the direction, the FX, and the horrendous stereotypes (yes, they were over-the-top even for a Friday film) make this film utterly unwatchable to me. I have only seen this movie in its entirety twice. The second time was to make sure it really was as bad as I remembered it being. I gave it a second chance, and I still thought it was abysmal. It did have some genuinely creepy t.v. spots, though. I'll give it that. I avoided Part V when it first came out. I had read about it in Fango and decided that it wasn’t something I wanted to see. A few years after its release, I ended up picking it up for $1 on Beta when my video store was liquidating all of their Beta inventory after Sony lost the videotape wars. I really feel like I overpaid, even at $1. The plot, itself, could have worked, if done right. Unfortunately, the direction, the FX, and the horrendous stereotypes (yes, they were over-the-top even for a Friday film) make this film utterly unwatchable to me. I have only seen this movie in its entirety twice. The second time was to make sure it really was as bad as I remembered it being. I gave it a second chance, and I still thought it was abysmal. It did have some genuinely creepy t.v. spots, though. I’ll give it that.

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By: blayze5150 http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/friday-conversation-should-paramount-have-created-a-new-beginning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-157404 blayze5150 Sun, 25 Oct 2024 17:50:02 +0000 http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/?p=4696#comment-157404 I like the film, but it, like some of the others, had it's faults. I would love to have seen where they would have gone with Tommy as the killer. I don't think it was the best move to jump so far into the future when the actual span between films was only a year. This iritated me, as did the gap between 6 & 7. Tommy as a child could have worked in part 5. Too bad Feldman was doing Goonies at the time. I like the film, but it, like some of the others, had it’s faults. I would love to have seen where they would have gone with Tommy as the killer. I don’t think it was the best move to jump so far into the future when the actual span between films was only a year. This iritated me, as did the gap between 6 & 7. Tommy as a child could have worked in part 5. Too bad Feldman was doing Goonies at the time.

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By: Puckbunny13 http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/friday-conversation-should-paramount-have-created-a-new-beginning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-157382 Puckbunny13 Sun, 25 Oct 2024 15:56:16 +0000 http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/?p=4696#comment-157382 Perhaps we needed part 5 to give us the sense of time of Jason's absence and it's affect on the Crystal Lake community. Not a bad concept but it could have been done better. Unfortunately, by this time Paramount was already trying to bury the franchise and wouldn't put any money into it. Too bad. It could have been cool: gory flashbacks, illusions of slaughter, a lot of shit could have gone down. Oh well, blood under the bridge now. Perhaps we needed part 5 to give us the sense of time of Jason’s absence and it’s affect on the Crystal Lake community. Not a bad concept but it could have been done better. Unfortunately, by this time Paramount was already trying to bury the franchise and wouldn’t put any money into it. Too bad. It could have been cool: gory flashbacks, illusions of slaughter, a lot of shit could have gone down. Oh well, blood under the bridge now.

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By: Andrea http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/friday-conversation-should-paramount-have-created-a-new-beginning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-157378 Andrea Sun, 25 Oct 2024 15:49:58 +0000 http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/?p=4696#comment-157378 They should have gone straight to part six from The Final Chapter. The New beginning was not really needed in the story line. They made Tommy look like the next Jason, meanwhile in Jason Lives he was the hero again. I would much rather have seen jason Lives as a direct version of the novel, even in they had to make a longer movie and film it as two parts! That would have made a great parts 5 and 6. They should have gone straight to part six from The Final Chapter. The New beginning was not really needed in the story line. They made Tommy look like the next Jason, meanwhile in Jason Lives he was the hero again. I would much rather have seen jason Lives as a direct version of the novel, even in they had to make a longer movie and film it as two parts! That would have made a great parts 5 and 6.

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By: Johnny Voorhees http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/friday-conversation-should-paramount-have-created-a-new-beginning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-157360 Johnny Voorhees Sun, 25 Oct 2024 12:45:20 +0000 http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/?p=4696#comment-157360 I hate the two redneck mother & son...They are too caricatures. I haven't still understood the film ending LoL (sorry for my english) A fan from Italy I hate the two redneck mother & son…They are too caricatures.

I haven’t still understood the film ending LoL

(sorry for my english)
A fan from Italy

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By: WitheredCarnation http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/friday-conversation-should-paramount-have-created-a-new-beginning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-157319 WitheredCarnation Sat, 24 Oct 2024 23:29:21 +0000 http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/?p=4696#comment-157319 I think part V should have been made. It wasn't perfect. As several others mentioned, it would have been fun if they'd spent more time developing the suspects, giving a larger number of them motives to hate the behavioral center so it's harder to pinpoint the murderer (and of course, get Roy in the picture more). On the other hand, some of the touches are just sheer brilliance. The blink-and-you'll miss it moment of the camera lingering over Violet's "Stop the Slaughter!" poster just before *she* gets slaughtered was the perfect piece of dark humor, and it consistently makes me chuckle. I will also admit to liking Roy and his story. For something that takes up such a small part of the running time, it did pack a punch, at least for me. The characters stand out (though whether they do this in a good or bad way is up to the viewer). However, even though I like part 5 and think it should have been made, I also think they did the right thing bringing Jason back in part 6. I think part V should have been made. It wasn’t perfect. As several others mentioned, it would have been fun if they’d spent more time developing the suspects, giving a larger number of them motives to hate the behavioral center so it’s harder to pinpoint the murderer (and of course, get Roy in the picture more).

On the other hand, some of the touches are just sheer brilliance. The blink-and-you’ll miss it moment of the camera lingering over Violet’s “Stop the Slaughter!” poster just before *she* gets slaughtered was the perfect piece of dark humor, and it consistently makes me chuckle. I will also admit to liking Roy and his story. For something that takes up such a small part of the running time, it did pack a punch, at least for me. The characters stand out (though whether they do this in a good or bad way is up to the viewer).

However, even though I like part 5 and think it should have been made, I also think they did the right thing bringing Jason back in part 6.

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By: Chris ver.II http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/friday-conversation-should-paramount-have-created-a-new-beginning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-157313 Chris ver.II Sat, 24 Oct 2024 22:31:07 +0000 http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/?p=4696#comment-157313 Part five seemed like filler, while parts 6 and 7 were like the true sequels to part 4. Part five seemed like filler, while parts 6 and 7 were like the true sequels to part 4.

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By: captain_brandon http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/friday-conversation-should-paramount-have-created-a-new-beginning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-157286 captain_brandon Sat, 24 Oct 2024 19:07:13 +0000 http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/?p=4696#comment-157286 Ya know, I was just talking to a Canadian friend online about this. Basically, like scabboy and others, I feel this was truely the last Exploitation-style Slasher entry of the series, and as a result, very operatically sleazy and old school slasher-iffic in places. But I ultimately feel it does have way too many characters that are ultimately just introduced for the sake of trying to have a suitably icky death of course before the MPAA steps in to enforce edits on the film makers. In short: It's fun, but VERY flawed. But I've always had a soft spot for this perverbial Black Sheep of the series. I never really minded the Pseudo-Jason/Roy Burns imposter. And some of the characters are quirky and most of the girls (in fact, I personally find ALL of them) are hot in an attainable way for us North American's. Especially totally tubular mid '80s New-Wave hottie Violet (Tiffany Theisen from Reform School Girls). But ultimately, I will admit the film is NOT high art in the least, even if it was never meant to be, and there is some inane and even silly & dumb dialogue and equelly silly & dumb set pieces. By this point, the series was well-versed into it's own retro-Slasher formula, and as a result, I feel the cocaine fuiled intensions of the film makers and others really needed a tighter script that focused on Tommy and a slightly better well written group of the trouble teens at the Pinehurst halfway house. But, alas, even with the MPAA-imposed cuts (which is another thing that ultimately makes me grop this half a grade from a C+ to just a C) it has, I've just always had a soft spot for this mostly anti-social and much more eccentric & quirky and even very oddly mean-spirited as all fuck entry in the series. They truely don't make'em as inane and anti-social as this anymore. Yup, it's not high art in the least, but it's the last installment that I truely enjoyed, many flaws and all, and is a solid Exploitation picture that is well worth having, even if the script and the directing (I'm sorry but Savage Streets Danny Steinmann is a fine enough guy, sleazy 'n fun to an extreme, but someone a bit more subtle should have been hired by Paramount, and they know it) are very off-kilter in places, and it lacks some style and flare. Especially after three vastly superior films before it. So I DO really like it in parts, but not on the level as many like the good ole' boys of www.deadpit.com radio, or such. I like it just enough, and yes, it SHOULD have been made, and it should have been pretty much the same, although the Pseudo-Jason imposter ultimately needed a better story, and Tommy after his next ordeal should have shown signs of spiritually healing and leaving the institute and ultimately Essex Crystal Lake County. And some of the characters (yes even in a fifth Friday installment) should have been more well written. I like it for what it is, and it's a fine guilty pleasure, but I can't help but think now every time I watch it now that it is getting it's ass kissed now a bit TOO much on places like IMDB for being quirky & eccentric like a lot of films, and most of the acting is flat to a bit too over-to-top and ultimately like I said, I feel they needed another director and tighter script in order to seal-off the Tommy Jarvis character for this movie. So I like it, plenty, but not a lot and I don't just love it. So it's not the first four superior films of the franchise, but for what it is, this flawed piece of mid '80s New-Wave sleaze will do. Ya know, I was just talking to a Canadian friend online about this.

Basically, like scabboy and others, I feel this was truely the last Exploitation-style Slasher entry of the series, and as a result, very operatically sleazy and old school slasher-iffic in places. But I ultimately feel it does have way too many characters that are ultimately just introduced for the sake of trying to have a suitably icky death of course before the MPAA steps in to enforce edits on the film makers. In short: It’s fun, but VERY flawed.

But I’ve always had a soft spot for this perverbial Black Sheep of the series. I never really minded the Pseudo-Jason/Roy Burns imposter. And some of the characters are quirky and most of the girls (in fact, I personally find ALL of them) are hot in an attainable way for us North American’s. Especially totally tubular mid ’80s New-Wave hottie Violet (Tiffany Theisen from Reform School Girls). But ultimately, I will admit the film is NOT high art in the least, even if it was never meant to be, and there is some inane and even silly & dumb dialogue and equelly silly & dumb set pieces. By this point, the series was well-versed into it’s own retro-Slasher formula, and as a result, I feel the cocaine fuiled intensions of the film makers and others really needed a tighter script that focused on Tommy and a slightly better well written group of the trouble teens at the Pinehurst halfway house.

But, alas, even with the MPAA-imposed cuts (which is another thing that ultimately makes me grop this half a grade from a C+ to just a C) it has, I’ve just always had a soft spot for this mostly anti-social and much more eccentric & quirky and even very oddly mean-spirited as all fuck entry in the series. They truely don’t make’em as inane and anti-social as this anymore.

Yup, it’s not high art in the least, but it’s the last installment that I truely enjoyed, many flaws and all, and is a solid Exploitation picture that is well worth having, even if the script and the directing (I’m sorry but Savage Streets Danny Steinmann is a fine enough guy, sleazy ‘n fun to an extreme, but someone a bit more subtle should have been hired by Paramount, and they know it) are very off-kilter in places, and it lacks some style and flare. Especially after three vastly superior films before it.

So I DO really like it in parts, but not on the level as many like the good ole’ boys of http://www.deadpit.com radio, or such. I like it just enough, and yes, it SHOULD have been made, and it should have been pretty much the same, although the Pseudo-Jason imposter ultimately needed a better story, and Tommy after his next ordeal should have shown signs of spiritually healing and leaving the institute and ultimately Essex Crystal Lake County.

And some of the characters (yes even in a fifth Friday installment) should have been more well written. I like it for what it is, and it’s a fine guilty pleasure, but I can’t help but think now every time I watch it now that it is getting it’s ass kissed now a bit TOO much on places like IMDB for being quirky & eccentric like a lot of films, and most of the acting is flat to a bit too over-to-top and ultimately like I said, I feel they needed another director and tighter script in order to seal-off the Tommy Jarvis character for this movie.

So I like it, plenty, but not a lot and I don’t just love it. So it’s not the first four superior films of the franchise, but for what it is, this flawed piece of mid ’80s New-Wave sleaze will do.

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By: Mongol http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/friday-conversation-should-paramount-have-created-a-new-beginning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-157281 Mongol Sat, 24 Oct 2024 18:07:58 +0000 http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/?p=4696#comment-157281 I was going on 10 years old when I saw this movie. I loved it then & I love it now. No, it's not the best of the series, but I agree with a lot of people who also love this movie that it is the last great Friday the 13th movie. Especially after all these recent editions that have come out on DVD over the past year, from part 6 on, it goes down hill. From the very first moment Jason comes back to life by lightning, it's ridiculous. At least part 5 had a believable plot- someone wants revenge & uses Jason's identity to get it. Really nothing more than that. And it had Ethel. One of the funniest frigging characters of the saga. "You big dildo. Eat your fuckin slop." I was going on 10 years old when I saw this movie. I loved it then & I love it now. No, it’s not the best of the series, but I agree with a lot of people who also love this movie that it is the last great Friday the 13th movie. Especially after all these recent editions that have come out on DVD over the past year, from part 6 on, it goes down hill. From the very first moment Jason comes back to life by lightning, it’s ridiculous. At least part 5 had a believable plot- someone wants revenge & uses Jason’s identity to get it. Really nothing more than that. And it had Ethel. One of the funniest frigging characters of the saga.
“You big dildo. Eat your fuckin slop.”

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By: BrandEn http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/friday-conversation-should-paramount-have-created-a-new-beginning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-157235 BrandEn Sat, 24 Oct 2024 14:33:30 +0000 http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/?p=4696#comment-157235 While not my favorite of the series i do love new beginning. especally the sheers in the eyes of the naked girl who's name escapes me at this moment :) it would have been interesting to see where the series would have gone if they had continued in the direction the story line was going with tommy wearing the mask and sporting a knife at the end :) ah well i guess we'll never know. BTW, this is prolly the best friday converstation ive seen on here in quite a while! keep up the good work guys. gives me something to do while im waiting for the next friday blurays :) While not my favorite of the series i do love new beginning. especally the sheers in the eyes of the naked girl who’s name escapes me at this moment :) it would have been interesting to see where the series would have gone if they had continued in the direction the story line was going with tommy wearing the mask and sporting a knife at the end :) ah well i guess we’ll never know. BTW, this is prolly the best friday converstation ive seen on here in quite a while! keep up the good work guys. gives me something to do while im waiting for the next friday blurays :)

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By: tommyblah http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/friday-conversation-should-paramount-have-created-a-new-beginning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-157173 tommyblah Sat, 24 Oct 2024 01:21:10 +0000 http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/?p=4696#comment-157173 i agree with john robert's post on all points. my only problem with part V is not one the common, obvious complaints. i think alot of the kills have no setup and are poorly executed. ...somebody's doing something in a scene about nothing relevant, out of nowhere cut to a shot of hands holding a weapon and swinging, quick zoom-in on the person making a stupid face, end scene. ...i'm not saying there aren't some good kills, but alot of them are kind of WTF? that's it? i agree with john robert’s post on all points.

my only problem with part V is not one the common, obvious complaints. i think alot of the kills have no setup and are poorly executed. …somebody’s doing something in a scene about nothing relevant, out of nowhere cut to a shot of hands holding a weapon and swinging, quick zoom-in on the person making a stupid face, end scene. …i’m not saying there aren’t some good kills, but alot of them are kind of WTF? that’s it?

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By: pampers70 http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/friday-conversation-should-paramount-have-created-a-new-beginning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-157150 pampers70 Fri, 23 Oct 2024 22:40:25 +0000 http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/?p=4696#comment-157150 Its okay.the hillbilles and the druggie medic weat thin on repeated viewings.There is alot less stalking and even less jump scares Its okay but I think 1-4 and hell night kick ass.... Its okay.the hillbilles and the druggie medic weat thin on repeated viewings.There is alot less stalking and even less jump scares Its okay but I think 1-4 and hell night kick ass….

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By: JohnRyder1981 http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/friday-conversation-should-paramount-have-created-a-new-beginning-2/comment-page-1/#comment-157147 JohnRyder1981 Fri, 23 Oct 2024 22:09:25 +0000 http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/?p=4696#comment-157147 I absoulutley love A NEW BEGINNING!!!! I think it held up with the others in the series, and I think the end chase is one of the creepiest in horror. Especially with the barn scene. And I loved the kill when the girl is dancing upstairs in her room!!! I AM PROUD TO SHOW SOME LOVE FOR ROY!!!! I absoulutley love A NEW BEGINNING!!!! I think it held up with the others in the series, and I think the end chase is one of the creepiest in horror. Especially with the barn scene. And I loved the kill when the girl is dancing upstairs in her room!!! I AM PROUD TO SHOW SOME LOVE FOR ROY!!!!

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