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		<title>By: eXile</title>
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		<dc:creator>eXile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I avoided Part V when it first came out. I had read about it in Fango and decided that it wasn&#039;t something I wanted to see. A few years after its release, I ended up picking it up for $1 on Beta when my video store was liquidating all of their Beta inventory after Sony lost the videotape wars. I really feel like I overpaid, even at $1. The plot, itself, could have worked, if done right. Unfortunately, the direction, the FX, and the horrendous stereotypes (yes, they were over-the-top even for a Friday film) make this film utterly unwatchable to me. I have only seen this movie in its entirety twice. The second time was to make sure it really was as bad as I remembered it being. I gave it a second chance, and I still thought it was abysmal. It did have some genuinely creepy t.v. spots, though. I&#039;ll give it that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I avoided Part V when it first came out. I had read about it in Fango and decided that it wasn&#8217;t something I wanted to see. A few years after its release, I ended up picking it up for $1 on Beta when my video store was liquidating all of their Beta inventory after Sony lost the videotape wars. I really feel like I overpaid, even at $1. The plot, itself, could have worked, if done right. Unfortunately, the direction, the FX, and the horrendous stereotypes (yes, they were over-the-top even for a Friday film) make this film utterly unwatchable to me. I have only seen this movie in its entirety twice. The second time was to make sure it really was as bad as I remembered it being. I gave it a second chance, and I still thought it was abysmal. It did have some genuinely creepy t.v. spots, though. I&#8217;ll give it that.</p>
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		<title>By: blayze5150</title>
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		<dc:creator>blayze5150</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the film, but it, like some of the others, had it&#039;s faults. I would love to have seen where they would have gone with Tommy as the killer. I don&#039;t think it was the best move to jump so far into the future when the actual span between films was only a year. This iritated me, as did the gap between 6 &amp; 7. Tommy as a child could have worked in part 5. Too bad Feldman was doing Goonies at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the film, but it, like some of the others, had it&#8217;s faults. I would love to have seen where they would have gone with Tommy as the killer. I don&#8217;t think it was the best move to jump so far into the future when the actual span between films was only a year. This iritated me, as did the gap between 6 &amp; 7. Tommy as a child could have worked in part 5. Too bad Feldman was doing Goonies at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Puckbunny13</title>
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		<dc:creator>Puckbunny13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps we needed part 5 to give us the sense of time of Jason&#039;s absence and it&#039;s affect on the Crystal Lake community. Not a bad concept but it could have been done better. Unfortunately, by this time Paramount was already trying to bury the franchise and wouldn&#039;t put any money into it. Too bad. It could have been cool: gory flashbacks, illusions of slaughter, a lot of shit could have gone down. Oh well, blood under the bridge now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps we needed part 5 to give us the sense of time of Jason&#8217;s absence and it&#8217;s affect on the Crystal Lake community. Not a bad concept but it could have been done better. Unfortunately, by this time Paramount was already trying to bury the franchise and wouldn&#8217;t put any money into it. Too bad. It could have been cool: gory flashbacks, illusions of slaughter, a lot of shit could have gone down. Oh well, blood under the bridge now.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should have gone straight to part six from The Final Chapter.  The New beginning was not really needed in the story line.  They made Tommy look like the next Jason, meanwhile in Jason Lives he was the hero again.  I would much rather have seen jason Lives as a direct version of the novel, even in they had to make a longer movie and film it as two parts!  That would have made a great parts 5 and 6.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should have gone straight to part six from The Final Chapter.  The New beginning was not really needed in the story line.  They made Tommy look like the next Jason, meanwhile in Jason Lives he was the hero again.  I would much rather have seen jason Lives as a direct version of the novel, even in they had to make a longer movie and film it as two parts!  That would have made a great parts 5 and 6.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Voorhees</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Voorhees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate the two redneck mother &amp; son...They are too caricatures.

I haven&#039;t still understood the film ending LoL

(sorry for my english)
A fan from Italy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate the two redneck mother &amp; son&#8230;They are too caricatures.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t still understood the film ending LoL</p>
<p>(sorry for my english)<br />
A fan from Italy</p>
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		<title>By: WitheredCarnation</title>
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		<dc:creator>WitheredCarnation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think part V should have been made.  It wasn&#039;t perfect.  As several others mentioned, it would have been fun if they&#039;d spent more time developing the suspects, giving a larger number of them motives to hate the behavioral center so it&#039;s harder to pinpoint the murderer (and of course, get Roy in the picture more).

On the other hand, some of the touches are just sheer brilliance.  The blink-and-you&#039;ll miss it moment of the camera lingering over Violet&#039;s &quot;Stop the Slaughter!&quot; poster just before *she* gets slaughtered was the perfect piece of dark humor, and it consistently makes me chuckle.  I will also admit to liking Roy and his story.  For something that takes up such a small part of the running time, it did pack a punch, at least for me.  The characters stand out (though whether they do this in a good or bad way is up to the viewer).

However, even though I like part 5 and think it should have been made, I also think they did the right thing bringing Jason back in part 6.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think part V should have been made.  It wasn&#8217;t perfect.  As several others mentioned, it would have been fun if they&#8217;d spent more time developing the suspects, giving a larger number of them motives to hate the behavioral center so it&#8217;s harder to pinpoint the murderer (and of course, get Roy in the picture more).</p>
<p>On the other hand, some of the touches are just sheer brilliance.  The blink-and-you&#8217;ll miss it moment of the camera lingering over Violet&#8217;s &#8220;Stop the Slaughter!&#8221; poster just before *she* gets slaughtered was the perfect piece of dark humor, and it consistently makes me chuckle.  I will also admit to liking Roy and his story.  For something that takes up such a small part of the running time, it did pack a punch, at least for me.  The characters stand out (though whether they do this in a good or bad way is up to the viewer).</p>
<p>However, even though I like part 5 and think it should have been made, I also think they did the right thing bringing Jason back in part 6.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris ver.II</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris ver.II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part five seemed like filler, while parts 6 and 7 were like the true sequels to part 4.</description>
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		<title>By: captain_brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>captain_brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya know, I was just talking to a Canadian friend online about this.

Basically, like scabboy and others, I feel this was truely the last Exploitation-style Slasher entry of the series, and as a result, very operatically sleazy and old school slasher-iffic in places. But I ultimately feel it does have way too many characters that are ultimately just introduced for the sake of trying to have a suitably icky death of course before the MPAA steps in to enforce edits on the film makers. In short: It&#039;s fun, but VERY flawed.

But I&#039;ve always had a soft spot for this perverbial Black Sheep of the series. I never really minded the Pseudo-Jason/Roy Burns imposter. And some of the characters are quirky and most of the girls (in fact, I personally find ALL of them) are hot in an attainable way for us North American&#039;s. Especially totally tubular mid &#039;80s New-Wave hottie Violet (Tiffany Theisen from Reform School Girls). But ultimately, I will admit the film is NOT high art in the least, even if it was never meant to be, and there is some inane and even silly &amp; dumb dialogue and equelly silly &amp; dumb set pieces. By this point, the series was well-versed into it&#039;s own retro-Slasher formula, and as a result, I feel the cocaine fuiled intensions of the film makers and others really needed a tighter script that focused on Tommy and a slightly better well written group of the trouble teens at the Pinehurst halfway house.

But, alas, even with the MPAA-imposed cuts (which is another thing that ultimately makes me grop this half a grade from a C+ to just a C) it has, I&#039;ve just always had a soft spot for this mostly anti-social and much more eccentric &amp; quirky and even very oddly mean-spirited as all fuck entry in the series. They truely don&#039;t make&#039;em as inane and anti-social as this anymore.

Yup, it&#039;s not high art in the least, but it&#039;s the last installment that I truely enjoyed, many flaws and all, and is a solid Exploitation picture that is well worth having, even if the script and the directing (I&#039;m sorry but Savage Streets Danny Steinmann is a fine enough guy, sleazy &#039;n fun to an extreme, but someone a bit more subtle should have been hired by Paramount, and they know it) are very off-kilter in places, and it lacks some style and flare. Especially after three vastly superior films before it. 

So I DO really like it in parts, but not on the level as many like the good ole&#039; boys of www.deadpit.com radio, or such. I like it just enough, and yes, it SHOULD have been made, and it should have been pretty much the same, although the Pseudo-Jason imposter ultimately needed a better story, and Tommy after his next ordeal should have shown signs of spiritually healing and leaving the institute and ultimately Essex Crystal Lake County. 

And some of the characters (yes even in a fifth Friday installment) should have been more well written. I like it for what it is, and it&#039;s a fine guilty pleasure, but I can&#039;t help but think now every time I watch it now that it is getting it&#039;s ass kissed now a bit TOO much on places like IMDB for being quirky &amp; eccentric like a lot of films, and most of the acting is flat to a bit too over-to-top and ultimately like I said, I feel they needed another director and tighter script in order to seal-off the Tommy Jarvis character for this movie.

So I like it, plenty, but not a lot and I don&#039;t just love it. So it&#039;s not the first four superior films of the franchise, but for what it is, this flawed piece of mid &#039;80s New-Wave sleaze will do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya know, I was just talking to a Canadian friend online about this.</p>
<p>Basically, like scabboy and others, I feel this was truely the last Exploitation-style Slasher entry of the series, and as a result, very operatically sleazy and old school slasher-iffic in places. But I ultimately feel it does have way too many characters that are ultimately just introduced for the sake of trying to have a suitably icky death of course before the MPAA steps in to enforce edits on the film makers. In short: It&#8217;s fun, but VERY flawed.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve always had a soft spot for this perverbial Black Sheep of the series. I never really minded the Pseudo-Jason/Roy Burns imposter. And some of the characters are quirky and most of the girls (in fact, I personally find ALL of them) are hot in an attainable way for us North American&#8217;s. Especially totally tubular mid &#8217;80s New-Wave hottie Violet (Tiffany Theisen from Reform School Girls). But ultimately, I will admit the film is NOT high art in the least, even if it was never meant to be, and there is some inane and even silly &amp; dumb dialogue and equelly silly &amp; dumb set pieces. By this point, the series was well-versed into it&#8217;s own retro-Slasher formula, and as a result, I feel the cocaine fuiled intensions of the film makers and others really needed a tighter script that focused on Tommy and a slightly better well written group of the trouble teens at the Pinehurst halfway house.</p>
<p>But, alas, even with the MPAA-imposed cuts (which is another thing that ultimately makes me grop this half a grade from a C+ to just a C) it has, I&#8217;ve just always had a soft spot for this mostly anti-social and much more eccentric &amp; quirky and even very oddly mean-spirited as all fuck entry in the series. They truely don&#8217;t make&#8217;em as inane and anti-social as this anymore.</p>
<p>Yup, it&#8217;s not high art in the least, but it&#8217;s the last installment that I truely enjoyed, many flaws and all, and is a solid Exploitation picture that is well worth having, even if the script and the directing (I&#8217;m sorry but Savage Streets Danny Steinmann is a fine enough guy, sleazy &#8216;n fun to an extreme, but someone a bit more subtle should have been hired by Paramount, and they know it) are very off-kilter in places, and it lacks some style and flare. Especially after three vastly superior films before it. </p>
<p>So I DO really like it in parts, but not on the level as many like the good ole&#8217; boys of <a href="http://www.deadpit.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.deadpit.com</a> radio, or such. I like it just enough, and yes, it SHOULD have been made, and it should have been pretty much the same, although the Pseudo-Jason imposter ultimately needed a better story, and Tommy after his next ordeal should have shown signs of spiritually healing and leaving the institute and ultimately Essex Crystal Lake County. </p>
<p>And some of the characters (yes even in a fifth Friday installment) should have been more well written. I like it for what it is, and it&#8217;s a fine guilty pleasure, but I can&#8217;t help but think now every time I watch it now that it is getting it&#8217;s ass kissed now a bit TOO much on places like IMDB for being quirky &amp; eccentric like a lot of films, and most of the acting is flat to a bit too over-to-top and ultimately like I said, I feel they needed another director and tighter script in order to seal-off the Tommy Jarvis character for this movie.</p>
<p>So I like it, plenty, but not a lot and I don&#8217;t just love it. So it&#8217;s not the first four superior films of the franchise, but for what it is, this flawed piece of mid &#8217;80s New-Wave sleaze will do.</p>
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		<title>By: Mongol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mongol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going on 10 years old when I saw this movie.  I loved it then &amp; I love it now.  No, it&#039;s not the best of the series, but I agree with a lot of people who also love this movie that it is the last great Friday the 13th movie.  Especially after all these recent editions that have come out on DVD over the past year, from part 6 on, it goes down hill.  From the very first moment Jason comes back to life by lightning, it&#039;s ridiculous.  At least part 5 had a believable plot- someone wants revenge &amp; uses Jason&#039;s identity to get it.  Really nothing more than that.  And it had Ethel.  One of the funniest frigging characters of the saga.
&quot;You big dildo.  Eat your fuckin slop.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going on 10 years old when I saw this movie.  I loved it then &amp; I love it now.  No, it&#8217;s not the best of the series, but I agree with a lot of people who also love this movie that it is the last great Friday the 13th movie.  Especially after all these recent editions that have come out on DVD over the past year, from part 6 on, it goes down hill.  From the very first moment Jason comes back to life by lightning, it&#8217;s ridiculous.  At least part 5 had a believable plot- someone wants revenge &amp; uses Jason&#8217;s identity to get it.  Really nothing more than that.  And it had Ethel.  One of the funniest frigging characters of the saga.<br />
&#8220;You big dildo.  Eat your fuckin slop.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BrandEn</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrandEn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While not my favorite of the series i do love new beginning. especally the sheers in the eyes of the naked girl who&#039;s name escapes me at this moment :) it would have been interesting to see where the series would have gone if they had continued in the direction the story line was going with tommy wearing the mask and sporting a knife at the end :) ah well i guess we&#039;ll never know.  BTW, this is prolly the best friday converstation ive seen on here in quite a while! keep up the good work guys. gives me something to do while im waiting for the next friday blurays :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While not my favorite of the series i do love new beginning. especally the sheers in the eyes of the naked girl who&#8217;s name escapes me at this moment <img src='http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  it would have been interesting to see where the series would have gone if they had continued in the direction the story line was going with tommy wearing the mask and sporting a knife at the end <img src='http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ah well i guess we&#8217;ll never know.  BTW, this is prolly the best friday converstation ive seen on here in quite a while! keep up the good work guys. gives me something to do while im waiting for the next friday blurays <img src='http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tommyblah</title>
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		<dc:creator>tommyblah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 01:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with john robert&#039;s post on all points.

my only problem with part V is not one the common, obvious complaints.  i think alot of the kills have no setup and are poorly executed.  ...somebody&#039;s doing something in a scene about nothing relevant, out of nowhere cut to a shot of hands holding a weapon and swinging, quick zoom-in on the person making a stupid face, end scene.  ...i&#039;m not saying there aren&#039;t some good kills, but alot of them are kind of WTF?  that&#039;s it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with john robert&#8217;s post on all points.</p>
<p>my only problem with part V is not one the common, obvious complaints.  i think alot of the kills have no setup and are poorly executed.  &#8230;somebody&#8217;s doing something in a scene about nothing relevant, out of nowhere cut to a shot of hands holding a weapon and swinging, quick zoom-in on the person making a stupid face, end scene.  &#8230;i&#8217;m not saying there aren&#8217;t some good kills, but alot of them are kind of WTF?  that&#8217;s it?</p>
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		<title>By: pampers70</title>
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		<dc:creator>pampers70</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its okay.the hillbilles and the druggie medic weat thin on repeated viewings.There is alot less stalking and even less jump scares Its okay but I think 1-4 and hell night kick ass....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its okay.the hillbilles and the druggie medic weat thin on repeated viewings.There is alot less stalking and even less jump scares Its okay but I think 1-4 and hell night kick ass&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnRyder1981</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnRyder1981</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absoulutley love A NEW BEGINNING!!!! I think it held up with the others in the series, and I think the end chase is one of the creepiest in horror.  Especially with the barn scene.  And I loved the kill when the girl is dancing upstairs in her room!!! I AM PROUD TO SHOW SOME LOVE FOR ROY!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absoulutley love A NEW BEGINNING!!!! I think it held up with the others in the series, and I think the end chase is one of the creepiest in horror.  Especially with the barn scene.  And I loved the kill when the girl is dancing upstairs in her room!!! I AM PROUD TO SHOW SOME LOVE FOR ROY!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: MadWorldDesigns</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadWorldDesigns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to chime in once again to also state that not only do you get some of the most memorable kills from this installment don&#039;t forget you also get great characters. I loved the shoot location and the music and sounds truly felt Friday the 13th to me.

And come on how great was the up close machete slow walk shot with &quot;his eyes&quot; playing.... everyone knows that scene.

Last words... if they had never made this movie we would have never gotten the best tits of the series.. Period ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to chime in once again to also state that not only do you get some of the most memorable kills from this installment don&#8217;t forget you also get great characters. I loved the shoot location and the music and sounds truly felt Friday the 13th to me.</p>
<p>And come on how great was the up close machete slow walk shot with &#8220;his eyes&#8221; playing&#8230;. everyone knows that scene.</p>
<p>Last words&#8230; if they had never made this movie we would have never gotten the best tits of the series.. Period <img src='http://fridaythe13thfilms.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JASON_GOALIE_67</title>
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		<dc:creator>JASON_GOALIE_67</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That about sums it up Germaniac. Hindsight is 20/20. Because the franchise (but at that point maybe not yet a franchise) was only 5 years old, after TFC they could have filmed Frank jr eating lunch and it would have made just as much opening weekend. As one part of a 11 film saga, it made the writers of the following movies try harder to stay true to the implied &quot;Rules&quot; of a Jason movie. Lots of boobs and lots of kills thou.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That about sums it up Germaniac. Hindsight is 20/20. Because the franchise (but at that point maybe not yet a franchise) was only 5 years old, after TFC they could have filmed Frank jr eating lunch and it would have made just as much opening weekend. As one part of a 11 film saga, it made the writers of the following movies try harder to stay true to the implied &#8220;Rules&#8221; of a Jason movie. Lots of boobs and lots of kills thou.</p>
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		<title>By: redpath</title>
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		<dc:creator>redpath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part 5 was good.

No problems with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part 5 was good.</p>
<p>No problems with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris. B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris. B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, this movie is like Halloween 3: Season of the Witch. When I first watched that movie, I was mad that it didn&#039;t have Michael Myers in it. The same thing happened after I watched F13 Part 5 for the first time. It didn&#039;t have Jason in it. So obviously, I was upset. However, just like Halloween 3, I have recently watched part 5 again, and even though neither of the films had the main killers people loved (Michael Myers and Jason Voorhees), that didn&#039;t mean that they were bad movies. Part 5 is now one of my favorites. My only problem with it now is that all of the kills in the film are barely shown onscreen (the first four movies showed the kills in their full glory - Arrow in the throat from part 1, machete to the face from part 2, harpoon to the eye from part 3, face crushed in the shower from part 4), I wish they could find all of the gore footage they had to cut and release an unrated version of the movie like they did with My Bloody Valentine earlier this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, this movie is like Halloween 3: Season of the Witch. When I first watched that movie, I was mad that it didn&#8217;t have Michael Myers in it. The same thing happened after I watched F13 Part 5 for the first time. It didn&#8217;t have Jason in it. So obviously, I was upset. However, just like Halloween 3, I have recently watched part 5 again, and even though neither of the films had the main killers people loved (Michael Myers and Jason Voorhees), that didn&#8217;t mean that they were bad movies. Part 5 is now one of my favorites. My only problem with it now is that all of the kills in the film are barely shown onscreen (the first four movies showed the kills in their full glory &#8211; Arrow in the throat from part 1, machete to the face from part 2, harpoon to the eye from part 3, face crushed in the shower from part 4), I wish they could find all of the gore footage they had to cut and release an unrated version of the movie like they did with My Bloody Valentine earlier this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Cullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you look back at it, the fact that Paramount even wanted to make another Friday The 13th is shocking. The franchise had always been a fairly good money maker for Paramount, but it was widely known that the studio wanted to wash its hands of the series. 

From a purists stand point, it wouldn&#039;t have bothered me for the Friday franchise to end after Part IV. I think once Part V debuted, it signaled to the fact that the series still had legs, and that Paramount would reap the rewards. That being said, I thought that those behind Part V did a respectable job. It certainly wasn&#039;t a ridiculous premise to have someone using a copy cat method to kill those responsible for their son&#039;s death. 

The counter argument to making a Part V is that it led to the silly Part VI, VII, VIII &amp; the horrendously bad Part IX &amp; X. Everyone has heard the anti drunk driving message, &quot;Know when to say when&quot;, well the Friday franchise probably could&#039;ve taken a lesson in that area post Part V. I don&#039;t think that means there couldn&#039;t eventually have been another movie. I think it would&#039;ve been a wise move to do what the Halloween franchise did after the &quot;Season of the Witch&quot; (which was awful), and that was to sit back and to take some time off before ideas poured in regarding the next film. 

In my opinion those first 3 flicks post Part V were rushed, and ended up showing little reverence for what made the franchise successful in the first place. I know for many horror fans, their concern is centered around Jason &amp; Jason only (who I thought became a caricature of his former self). In fact the franchise seemed to be more concerned with new and fun ways for Jason to kill his intended victims (and the # of kills), but because of that, the plot, storyline, and character development took a severe hit(especially in regards to the heroine/protagonist). 

A crucial element of any good horror film is centered around a sympathetic protagonist/s and its secondary characters. As an audience we want to care about the heroine and the intended victim/s (Female &amp; male). Unfortunately Jason&#039;s victims post Part V became more one dimensional, and they were dumbied down to the point that their fate/s became less substantive. The Friday kids seemed to operate within a pluralistic society/niche in the beginning. Their backgrounds though different, didn&#039;t seem to be disjointed, like the characters today. These days, it seems like the powers that be create characters that would resemble those seen in M.T.V.&#039;s the &quot;Real World&quot;. In other words, it&#039;s all about image/looks, and less about personality. By today&#039;s standards, we would never see an Amy Steel running around the woods for her life; she would be replaced by some buxom blonde with a S.A.T. score around 650.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you look back at it, the fact that Paramount even wanted to make another Friday The 13th is shocking. The franchise had always been a fairly good money maker for Paramount, but it was widely known that the studio wanted to wash its hands of the series. </p>
<p>From a purists stand point, it wouldn&#8217;t have bothered me for the Friday franchise to end after Part IV. I think once Part V debuted, it signaled to the fact that the series still had legs, and that Paramount would reap the rewards. That being said, I thought that those behind Part V did a respectable job. It certainly wasn&#8217;t a ridiculous premise to have someone using a copy cat method to kill those responsible for their son&#8217;s death. </p>
<p>The counter argument to making a Part V is that it led to the silly Part VI, VII, VIII &amp; the horrendously bad Part IX &amp; X. Everyone has heard the anti drunk driving message, &#8220;Know when to say when&#8221;, well the Friday franchise probably could&#8217;ve taken a lesson in that area post Part V. I don&#8217;t think that means there couldn&#8217;t eventually have been another movie. I think it would&#8217;ve been a wise move to do what the Halloween franchise did after the &#8220;Season of the Witch&#8221; (which was awful), and that was to sit back and to take some time off before ideas poured in regarding the next film. </p>
<p>In my opinion those first 3 flicks post Part V were rushed, and ended up showing little reverence for what made the franchise successful in the first place. I know for many horror fans, their concern is centered around Jason &amp; Jason only (who I thought became a caricature of his former self). In fact the franchise seemed to be more concerned with new and fun ways for Jason to kill his intended victims (and the # of kills), but because of that, the plot, storyline, and character development took a severe hit(especially in regards to the heroine/protagonist). </p>
<p>A crucial element of any good horror film is centered around a sympathetic protagonist/s and its secondary characters. As an audience we want to care about the heroine and the intended victim/s (Female &amp; male). Unfortunately Jason&#8217;s victims post Part V became more one dimensional, and they were dumbied down to the point that their fate/s became less substantive. The Friday kids seemed to operate within a pluralistic society/niche in the beginning. Their backgrounds though different, didn&#8217;t seem to be disjointed, like the characters today. These days, it seems like the powers that be create characters that would resemble those seen in M.T.V.&#8217;s the &#8220;Real World&#8221;. In other words, it&#8217;s all about image/looks, and less about personality. By today&#8217;s standards, we would never see an Amy Steel running around the woods for her life; she would be replaced by some buxom blonde with a S.A.T. score around 650.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always felt that part 5 is exactly what part 3 of &quot;Halloween&quot; is considered.... Ignored and not part of the franchise.</description>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes definately.   I dont know why so many people dislike part 5, I mean ok its not Jason..but there are some over the top kills.  Like the road flare in vinnies mouth, the hedgeclippers in tinas eyes, and my favorite the belt over eddies eyes.   It had a very high body count...and it has one of the nicest tit shots in the franchise (Tina).   Plus it has a little mystery like part 1.   I know its kinda obvious who it is.  That shot when Roy looks at the camera...then all of a sudden the screen goes black and jumps to the first Jason style murders of the film.   But when i first saw it I didnt catch on so I really didnt know who it was.   I was thinking it was dr. leonord or Ethel.   But anyway 4 films arent enough.  Even though the final chapter is my favorite in the franchise...Im glad Paramount went on, otherwise we would have no part 7 the new blood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes definately.   I dont know why so many people dislike part 5, I mean ok its not Jason..but there are some over the top kills.  Like the road flare in vinnies mouth, the hedgeclippers in tinas eyes, and my favorite the belt over eddies eyes.   It had a very high body count&#8230;and it has one of the nicest tit shots in the franchise (Tina).   Plus it has a little mystery like part 1.   I know its kinda obvious who it is.  That shot when Roy looks at the camera&#8230;then all of a sudden the screen goes black and jumps to the first Jason style murders of the film.   But when i first saw it I didnt catch on so I really didnt know who it was.   I was thinking it was dr. leonord or Ethel.   But anyway 4 films arent enough.  Even though the final chapter is my favorite in the franchise&#8230;Im glad Paramount went on, otherwise we would have no part 7 the new blood.</p>
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