once again i don’t know what i’m arguing for, because none of this has any relevance to the argument. it’s fucking retarded.

ugh, one isolated incident…the whole argument was whether farrands was lying. the lie is the incident. my point is, he might be, he might not be. maybe paramount is lying to him and he believes it himself. for about the 10th time i’m in complete agreement with all the points made about this, but until we walk into their vaults and dig through it all ourselves, we don’t KNOW. and i’m not gonna sit around and sulk over something that can’t be proven. it’s a likely possibility it’s true, but i prefer to consider all possibilities rather than just the one i want to be true. that’s not naive, that’s called realism.

we’re getting more than we’ve ever gotten before in these releases, so maybe you need to try some of the weed in your hardcore drug and violence infested neighborhoods and chill the fuck out.

kevin, we all know you’re rich. suck-a-bag-a-dicks.

and no i don’t lack worldly wisdom because i’m not willing to say trends and tendencies are proof of one isolated incident. proof requires at least one substantial piece of evidence, and no one here has offered that.

and no MBV is not evidence…ignore my comments on that all you want; even if in some alternate universe they did lie about that, it isn’t PROOF of this because different people are in charge of these releases. and the fact that companies lie is not PROOF of this because, once again, it’s a trend and tendency….you must offer something substantial to back it up, such as “john buechler saw the footage in the vault 2 weeks ago.”

naive is believing without seeing. having worldly wisdom is considering all sides to an argument and not committing unless one offers something overwhelming.

naive means showing unaffected simplicity – hmmm… now who in this conversation has proven to be that?

you don’t know me. i’ve been a player in the business world for a long time…i KNOW probably better than you what kind of shit goes on and i get just as furious about the tactics of american businesses. but it’s clear you’re clinging to an idea to get out your frustration on the subject, and acting like it’s proof of something you want to be true.

first of all your argument that “we didn’t think we’d make enough extra money for it to be worth messing with” is absurd. putting the cut footage as an extra is the easiest, quickest, cheapest part of any of these. they don’t do any mastering. everything else costs time and money…shooting new things, assembling cast members (that need to be paid), remastering the movie itself, etc. the cut footage is transferred to a digital medium and it’s done…an afternoon’s work. and it’s FREE.

let me tell you something about business. it’s about profit. the sales of 4 have been great, 6 a little less great, and 5 absolute shit…completely in line with what we got as new cut gore footage.

there is no way they would hold back something now seeing those figures, know why?…

1 – job security is at an all time low, plus the next set of releases of these entries will be worked on by someone else. so why, knowing the sales of the last few releases and knowing the new cut gore is what makes the money, would they turn down that money so some other douche-bags can cash in on it in 5 years?

2 – the economy is shit, the writer’s guild kicked the asses of the movie companies, and they need every penny they can get right now.

to say that “how business works” makes this a fact…is kind of like how christians say because there is more to the world than meets the eye, the existence of god is a fact. how exactly does the fact that there is SOMETHING mean that without a doubt an all-knowing all-seeing supernatural being that something? it doesn’t. it’s a “hypothesis” and it’s missing crucial proof in between the two ideas. another example would be 1+1=3.

pipe down, and consider that maybe this ONE HYPOTHESIS is not the only one.