once again i don’t know what i’m arguing for, because none of this has any relevance to the argument. it’s fucking retarded.

ugh, one isolated incident…the whole argument was whether farrands was lying. the lie is the incident. my point is, he might be, he might not be. maybe paramount is lying to him and he believes it himself. for about the 10th time i’m in complete agreement with all the points made about this, but until we walk into their vaults and dig through it all ourselves, we don’t KNOW. and i’m not gonna sit around and sulk over something that can’t be proven. it’s a likely possibility it’s true, but i prefer to consider all possibilities rather than just the one i want to be true. that’s not naive, that’s called realism.

we’re getting more than we’ve ever gotten before in these releases, so maybe you need to try some of the weed in your hardcore drug and violence infested neighborhoods and chill the fuck out.

kevin, we all know you’re rich. suck-a-bag-a-dicks.

and no i don’t lack worldly wisdom because i’m not willing to say trends and tendencies are proof of one isolated incident. proof requires at least one substantial piece of evidence, and no one here has offered that.

and no MBV is not evidence…ignore my comments on that all you want; even if in some alternate universe they did lie about that, it isn’t PROOF of this because different people are in charge of these releases. and the fact that companies lie is not PROOF of this because, once again, it’s a trend and tendency….you must offer something substantial to back it up, such as “john buechler saw the footage in the vault 2 weeks ago.”

naive is believing without seeing. having worldly wisdom is considering all sides to an argument and not committing unless one offers something overwhelming.

naive means showing unaffected simplicity – hmmm… now who in this conversation has proven to be that?

you don’t know me. i’ve been a player in the business world for a long time…i KNOW probably better than you what kind of shit goes on and i get just as furious about the tactics of american businesses. but it’s clear you’re clinging to an idea to get out your frustration on the subject, and acting like it’s proof of something you want to be true.

first of all your argument that “we didn’t think we’d make enough extra money for it to be worth messing with” is absurd. putting the cut footage as an extra is the easiest, quickest, cheapest part of any of these. they don’t do any mastering. everything else costs time and money…shooting new things, assembling cast members (that need to be paid), remastering the movie itself, etc. the cut footage is transferred to a digital medium and it’s done…an afternoon’s work. and it’s FREE.

let me tell you something about business. it’s about profit. the sales of 4 have been great, 6 a little less great, and 5 absolute shit…completely in line with what we got as new cut gore footage.

there is no way they would hold back something now seeing those figures, know why?…

1 – job security is at an all time low, plus the next set of releases of these entries will be worked on by someone else. so why, knowing the sales of the last few releases and knowing the new cut gore is what makes the money, would they turn down that money so some other douche-bags can cash in on it in 5 years?

2 – the economy is shit, the writer’s guild kicked the asses of the movie companies, and they need every penny they can get right now.

to say that “how business works” makes this a fact…is kind of like how christians say because there is more to the world than meets the eye, the existence of god is a fact. how exactly does the fact that there is SOMETHING mean that without a doubt an all-knowing all-seeing supernatural being that something? it doesn’t. it’s a “hypothesis” and it’s missing crucial proof in between the two ideas. another example would be 1+1=3.

pipe down, and consider that maybe this ONE HYPOTHESIS is not the only one.

do you have any proof of them saying MBV footage did not exist? because i distinctly recall them saying several times that the “cult” popularity of the film “did not warrant the work involved” and that they “just weren’t interested.” like i said, 6-7 years ago i was reading those interviews with george mihalka, and the fact that he had the cuts was common knowledge among the horror community.

i want you to be right, but there are some major questions that come up…like why would they give us the footage 4 & 8, knowing that 4 & 7 are the most popular of the sequels gore-wise and 8 is one of the most hated in general? i guess i’m just saying it’s coming out in an awkward fashion, and i think they’re just rushing to get it out there, maybe not leaving every stone unturned…saying things without being 100% sure just to sell this month’s product.

note that nobody will give a direct answer on 2 or 3, which means they are absolutely stashing that footage for a rainy day. as for 5, 6, & 7, i think the vaults are tapped out and someone else needs to take the reigns and figure out where else it might be.

now if you want proof farrands is a liar, well that’s easier. he worked on ‘haunting in connecticut’ therefore is claiming it’s a true story.

this is different. no one has claimed to have snatched this stuff up and kept it, aside from the workprint of pt 7, which hodder snatched from the vault when no one was looking.

everytime beuchler has been asked, he says he thinks the footage is in the vaults, but no one will let him get to it. now that we have someone providing us footage from select movies and saying the rest has been destroyed, i’d say that’s pretty persuasive on the other side of the argument.

yes, it could be a lie, but look up some older interviews with the director of MBV…you’ll see that is definitely not evidence…and the fact that companies lie, true, but still not evidence.