Talkin’ Jason: Friday the 13th sequel
Ah, yes the great hype. Many of us (at least me anyways) were pretty satisfied with the 2024 re-imagining/reboot film. Platinum Dunes seem to be on a roll with these remakes/reboots. They currently have A nightmare on elm street scheduled for an April 2024 release date, and after that the focus is supposed to go back on the one and only Jason Voorhees.
With the release date postponed, we’re all left to wonder why ? Maybe the creative team hasn’t decided on where they will take this film. Will Mrs. Voorhees play a bigger role in this film than she did in the previous ? I’m not saying I would like to see them go down the road Rob Zombie went down in his disaster of a sequel to Halloween, but I think it would be nice to explore Jason’s origins a little, but not too much. I know many of you like the mystique of his character, and that is fine.
But if not Jason’s mother, how about the even more mysterious Elias Voorhees ? JASON LIVES was the closest the series ever got to Mr. Voorhees. I think this is one mystery that needs to have some light shed on. I mean we know the story of Pamela. The grief-stricken mother who enacted her revenge only to end up decapitated at the end. What if Jason’s father was explored as someone that he actually feared ? An abusive father who constantly abused Jason and his mother.
Freddy Vs Jason poorly explored Jason’s fears, and compromised his character a little, by exposing his fear of water. What if Elias Voorhees were to play a key role in being the only person or thing Jason feared. What if Elias was proven to be as diabolical as Jason himself or even worst him. What if Jason, for about one scene, be considered the anti-hero and finally face his fears by fighting his father ?
I mean these are just my speculations, I’m sure creative isn’t even going to touch the character of Elias Voorhees, because they didn’t in the original series, so why would they in the reboot series ? But then again, Platinum Dunes explored a little bit about Leatherface’s origins in The Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning. I’m not big on prequels, but flashbacks aren’t bad for sequels either.
So it makes one wonder what the studio has planned for our buddy Jason. Will they even consider the option of introducing a new version of Tommy Jarvis ? For instance, let’s say the kid had issues and he was deep in the gothic subculture. He didn’t care about anything or anybody until the right moment triggered him. He witnessed Jason murder his mother and he snapped and when it came time for Jason to kill his sister, he became just like Jason and attacked. I know that last bit was explored in the original series, but ended up being a cliff hanger for the character as well.
I mean there are so many ideals that the studio could have planned. We’ve already been told that snow could play a role in the movie, I mean Friday the 13th can come anytime of the year. I mean I can picture an ending with Jason and a victim out on the frozen crystal lake. Maybe a hallucination scene where Mrs. Voorhees busts through the frozen ice and grabbed the final girl wouldn’t be too bad.
In the end, it is up to the studio to decide the direction of the sequel. But please name out your ideals. Maybe the studio execs get some of their ideals from the fans, but again maybe not. But as they say, stay tuned!
I don’t want to explore Jason’s Dad, I like the idea of Pamela going crazy because he left.
i respect the ideas, but i have no faith in these filmmakers. the more they try to expand the concepts, the worse the movie will be…just like zombie’s halloween 2. the filmmakers/screenwriters of today are like a bunch of amateurs…their attempts at creativity make their films laughable.
they need to just stick to a simple jason-returns-to-slash-some-people concept and make up for the lack of creative kills in the first…that’s the only way they won’t create an even bigger backlash from the franchise fans.
I’d like to see Jason battle the Internet, hacking and slashing nerdy fanboys with nothing better to do than complain. Check this scene:
Pimply faced teenager illuminated only by the glow of his monitor. Insert of him posting to fridaythe13thfilms.com. As he types, he narrates aloud. “So there was one slight detail I didn’t like about this movie, so the whole movie sucks, and you suck for liking it, and everyone who reads what you wrote sucks for reading it and considering an opinion that isn’t mine. Clearly none of you like this movie as much as me, which I don’t at all, so therefore, you all suck for not being me.” Lightning flashes, revealing JASON VOORHEES standing in the background, machete raised, about to chop. Cut to…
This sequel is going to rock.
Eh, I’m afraid if they explored the whole Elias thing we’d just wind up with another convoluted plotline that would further demystify a great character. In my opinion, there are way too many “deconstructions” of horror icons these days, and the mystery winds up being totally lost in the process. I don’t need to see what made Jason into the twisted beast he is, beyond seeing his mother beheaded. We all have our own ideas of Jason’s childhood…let’s leave that to the imagination.
I personally wouldn’t mind a Tommy Jarvis type of character, but not Tommy himself (leave that to the original series). A “Van Helsing” type of foil for Jason, who relentlessly pursues and battles him, could be really cool (this is the route I always thought they should have taken with Tommy after Part 6). You could wind up with someone so damaged by Jason’s actions, that his determination to stop the big guy makes him almost as bad. I wouldn’t mind a spin on the story like that.
I say shed some light on the back story with his father. I do like the idea of a confrontation. I know everyone wants the mystic to stay in tact, but this is an area that I think should be explored as well as what happend to Paul in part two. As for Tommy, I think it would be a good idea, but I would like the other areas explored first. Oh please get new writers, one who respect the Friday series
Not sure about the Elias Voorhees part. sounds too much like the abusive father in the halloween reboot by Rob Zombie. Jason has to stay mysterious, we already know why he kills. I think Jason in the snow is good idea, the entire movie doesnt have to be in the snow but a small part would be nice. I am really looking forwards to seeing Jason dump some chump head first into a snow blower…or grinding some girl face on a snowmobile wheel or knocking some guys head off with a shovel. LOL yeah I know am sick but arent we all?
But there’s a difference between Halloween’s abusive boyfriend and a psychotic Elias Voorhees, the abusive boyfriend didnt once try and defend himself.
Elias Voorhees can prove to be a more sicker type of human than Jason. That would leave open the ideal of Jason having a more sympathetic side to the audience in facing his much feared father.
Im with You on bringing in Elias. I wish they wouldve went with the original ending idea in part 6, where Jasons Dad actually shows up. It was never filmed but it does exsist in the novel. And Tom Mcloughlin talked about it on the His Name Was Jason DVD. But I think for the remake sequal that might be a cool idea.
please!! don’t explore jason past, i wonder for a kind of weird story like “takes manhattan” or “goes to hell”.
the reboot was ok , but for the new movie i don’t need another same plot like final chapter or jason live.
sorry if my english is lame-)
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i believe that if the sequal were to obtain a story of Jason’s past, or his father Elias, or even anything to do with his mother..i think it wouldn’t get explained enough to the point where the audience are left wondering, without a full explaination. which don’t get me wrong, mystery can be a key thing in a succussful horror movie, but like all the previous Fridays..even one small detail that they try to use to build the plot, could lead to ruining the movie. in my opinion, if they decide to add something that wasn’t in previous movies, or build onto something, i hope they think it out, maybe get a fans thoughts before they come up with a conclusion.
so basically i think this movie can go one of two ways…
turn out to be a great success.
or
Become another Halloween 2(remake)
I have to agree Elias shouldn’t appear at all if he’s just going to be a stereotypical bad father. I’ve always liked that, instead of being the same abuser we get in every other film, Elias was someone who did his damage through absence and negligence – he didn’t have to DO anything to Pamela and Jason when they suffered so much simply because he *was not there for them.*
That doesn’t mean he can’t appear at all, just that if he does, I’d much prefer a subtly nuanced and menacing Elias to a contrived fist-swinging monster. Both Tom McLoughlin’s deleted Elias and Jason Goes to Hell’s written-out Elias were, in their own messed up ways, trying to take care of Jason from an emotional distance. Perhaps they were even trying to make up for allowing him to die in the first place. That should be taken into account.
Either way about it, the character needs to have some light shed on him, rather than just mentioning him by name in Jason goes to hell, I mean the only other mentioning of him is in the novelization of Jason Lives.
The only features about him that are known is that he has red hair, he’s quiet but intimidating and the caretaker of the graveyard is careful not to touch his hand when taking payments or looking into his eyes.
I mean this character deserves some attention. All Victor Miller could assume was that he ran off. But if you want to build from that then let’s say that he did in fact run off, but he ran off AFTER Jason supposedly drowned, from which he then blamed Pamela. I mean he’s basically just a shell, so it’s an open opportunity to put some life into him.
While I was one of the people who thought the remake sucked, I thought the look and design of Jason was great. The problem with the movie, was the unrealistic characters, over the top kills and lack of any kind of atmosphere… And I agree with DIZ, no back story. The thing that was so great about the early friday flicks, and made them scary was the mystery. Which in my opinion, was gone by the time part 5 came out. Even though the opening scene of 4 with Jason waking up in the morgue, kind of killed the mystery, it was still there some what. Just enough to create a creepy atmosphere. IMO…
I totally agree that today’s Hollywood screenwriters couldn’t do any Voorhees backstory justice. They just don’t know how to write, so they should stick to what works. Love the remake, love the kills, but don’t bother with a crappy Myers-type backstory. Leave that for fan fiction.
all very interesting idea’s,but for me,i think that u shouldnt explore jason’s origins too much,like do what newline did for the ANOES series,and reveal a little bit about our fav. killer as the films progress,and for elias,he’s a character who hasnt been explored in the series,but i think he wasnt as abusive as he has been portraid in comics or novel’s,because if he didnt care about jason or pamela he wouldnt have been tipping the groundskeeper to take care of their resting place’s (or had pam’s body moved from the side of the road to beside jason for that matter)even though that was shown to be an alternate ending were the groundskeeper doesnt die,but it could also fit easily fit in to before he died,but for the new series its largley open to intrpratation
why don’t they make the next Friday movie about a bunch of documentary people filming in crystal lake.kind of like Blair witch style.it will be different and very cheep to make.not to mention how much money they will make off it(paranormal activity/cloverfiled/quarantine/Blair witch)…just to name a few.
plus they can have snow in it!!!
just make the end with the last victim a good chase @ the end like all the other Fridays!!!the remake didn’t do much of the big chase,and i wasn’t happy with it.my fav chase would have to be part 4!!!the hammer thrown @ the chick was a classic!!!
what about every one else…whats your fav end chase with Jason and the last victim???
i have to say that the Jason goes to hell was “very” weird.the first time i watched it, i pauses it and check the video cover to make sure it was the right movie.LOL.
here is a thought for the writers(who cant think of any new idars)…
what if you continued jason goes to hell…BUT…dont do the body swapping thing.it was so stupid!!!but keep the whole Jason’s relatives can destroy him thus he goes to get them and there friends!sounds a bit like Halloween i know,but i want more then a couple walking off in the sunrise with a baby!!!what happened after that?!?
While Elias Voorhees is on the wishlist of many fans for years I will stand up and say: “Please don´t explain too much”. We have enough backinfo, we don´t need to know everything what happen to jason as a child (what would we do without the “Did Jason really drown” disussions each year?). Each time a movi tried to explain something and give backinfo people complained: They complained on the hellbaby in JGTH, they complained abou the regeneration-effect in Jason X (even though regeneration was already introduced in the novelization of Jason lives). It´s sometimes more scarier not to know everything (compare the original TCM, where we knew nothing about the Sawyers, to the PD remake and prequel, which tried to explain everything). Just my two cents.
I don’t like that Hollywood(& PD) feels the need to dumb down everything. Leave things to your own interpretation. They need to concentrate on a realistic, character driven story.
Gill Man said it best. Jason has always been a character of mystery and THAT’S what made him scary orginally. Once the later installments started showcasing him too often and too early in the films he became a cartoon charater of himself and stopped being scary.
A successful sequel IMO would be something formulaic to the orginal first four films. No exploration of Jason or his family beyond what has already been established, no convoluted storylines with elements completely foreign to the Friday formula, no gimmicky cheese (other than the gimmicky cheese that established the series) and most of all no Shannon and Swift. Those two hacks couldn’t write a decnt script if it was written for them. If the makers of the Friday movies read this forum, please for the love of all that pure and kind in this world, can their asses!
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i agree with you on the remake, there wasn’t a good chase scene like in the others. i mean it was like all of the original movies had some sort of chase scene and i thought that should have been added to the ending a little more than what it was. maybe just have made it a little more intense. but if they decide to put one in the sequal, i hope they make it more realistic. so instead of just making some girl run around the camp, trying to avoid Jason. Why don’t they try to excape the camp… it’s never really been done before. it’s something new they can work with.
What if Jason had a really hot sister that he never knew about in the sequel? Lindsay Lohan should be in the sequel.
I always said that maybe Mrs. Voorhees (showing us that she was into the Necronomicon in JGTH) possibly killed her husband, and used his body as a host after ressurecting Jason\’s soul. I mean, considering how the series trailed, it wouldn\’t be a bad idea pitch. (At least for the older series) Like a dark secret NO ONE knew of until…
Random idea: Since the first reboot was about Jason sparing an intended victim because she looked like Pamela, how about a sequel in which he specifically targets another because he/she looks like someone he hates? What if the film were to have a final girl who looks so much like Alice Hardy, Jason believes the woman who killed his mother has somehow returned and cuts a bloody path through the new cast trying to get to her?